Job Number 190183
This one is a is an Elgin grade 616, 16 size, 17 jewels, made about 1951.
I’m told someone attempted to repair this watch in the '50s. It came to me in pieces. It’s 99% all there, but there’s some serious problems.
The first photo shows the base plate where the balance cock sits. It has been aggressively filed down through the nickel finish and well into the brass. The surface is smooth but it’s taken down quite a lot. You can see the step at the edge of the area, up to where the normal finish is. I guess someone thought they could do this to make the broken balance work. There is no way to repair that damage. It’s simply impossible to put removed metal back. The balance cock will never sit at exactly the right height again.
The third photo shows the underside (dial side) of the base plate. It looks like the balance jewel has been ripped out through the top - the wrong side. The lip the jewel sits on is mutilated and destroyed.
The next photo below shows the broken off pivot on the balance. This is no doubt the watch’s original problem and by itself would not have been a problem to fix.
What we’re going to do here is build up a “new” movement using as much of the original as possible, which will be a lot. It’s wasn’t in bad shape to start with, aside from the original broken balance staff.
I found an incorrect mainspring forced into the barrel.
The slot in the barrel cap is all chewed up, but it should be usable. I guess the prior repair attempt included this damage to accommodate the incorrect mainspring.
This one was a rough start, but it turned out really well. Running strong and clean, low beat error, good time…
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I’m told someone attempted to repair this watch in the '50s. It came to me in pieces. It’s 99% all there, but there’s some serious problems.
The first photo shows the base plate where the balance cock sits. It has been aggressively filed down through the nickel finish and well into the brass. The surface is smooth but it’s taken down quite a lot. You can see the step at the edge of the area, up to where the normal finish is. I guess someone thought they could do this to make the broken balance work. There is no way to repair that damage. It’s simply impossible to put removed metal back. The balance cock will never sit at exactly the right height again.
The third photo shows the underside (dial side) of the base plate. It looks like the balance jewel has been ripped out through the top - the wrong side. The lip the jewel sits on is mutilated and destroyed.
The next photo below shows the broken off pivot on the balance. This is no doubt the watch’s original problem and by itself would not have been a problem to fix.
What we’re going to do here is build up a “new” movement using as much of the original as possible, which will be a lot. It’s wasn’t in bad shape to start with, aside from the original broken balance staff.
I found an incorrect mainspring forced into the barrel.
The slot in the barrel cap is all chewed up, but it should be usable. I guess the prior repair attempt included this damage to accommodate the incorrect mainspring.
This one was a rough start, but it turned out really well. Running strong and clean, low beat error, good time…
Project link (all the posts):
https://pluspora.com/tags/190183_et
Follow all the projects in detail here.
And the album for this project is here.
Job Number 190141
When this watch arrived, nothing was broken, but it was not running, The escapement was in “over-banked” state. This is a mechanical state where the roller jewel on the balance wheel has gotten outside the pallet fork. The balance wheel can then only turn to one side and not the other because the roller jewel just hits the outside of the fork on one side rather than passing into it (and then moving the fork, and releasing the escape wheel). The mechanism has a guard pin on the pallet that normally gets in the way of the roller getting out of sync in this way. But if things are out of adjustment, that doesn’t work and a jolt at the right moment will jog the balance out of rhythm and get it to over-bank.
As a last step on this watch I expected to have to adjust the banking pins and guard pin (and hopefully nothing else) to make sure over-banking is blocked. However, it all checks out as is. The pallet can not pass by the balance out of sync.
It is possible to over-bank a watch with just the right jolt at the right instant, even when things are all correct. But such a jolt typically has to be enough to actually break something. It seems this watch got lucky.
The winding/setting mechanism, or "keyless works", on early Elgin ladies movements is problematic to say the least. There's a spring pushing one way on the topside of the base plate and one underneath pushing the other way. They both have to be in good condition for winding/setting to work.
Both these springs however are prone to breaking, or just wearing out. Old steel formulations lose their tension over decades.
I always dread working to get one of these to function properly, but this one was no trouble at all.
As a last step on this watch I expected to have to adjust the banking pins and guard pin (and hopefully nothing else) to make sure over-banking is blocked. However, it all checks out as is. The pallet can not pass by the balance out of sync.
It is possible to over-bank a watch with just the right jolt at the right instant, even when things are all correct. But such a jolt typically has to be enough to actually break something. It seems this watch got lucky.
The winding/setting mechanism, or "keyless works", on early Elgin ladies movements is problematic to say the least. There's a spring pushing one way on the topside of the base plate and one underneath pushing the other way. They both have to be in good condition for winding/setting to work.
Both these springs however are prone to breaking, or just wearing out. Old steel formulations lose their tension over decades.
I always dread working to get one of these to function properly, but this one was no trouble at all.
Job Number 190043
We see a lot of pocketwatches with discolored plastic crystals. They can appear tinted blue or green but yellow is the most common. Sometimes it appears that the color is the dial, but it's not.
The crystals are not supposed to be this way, they were originally clear. Over decades these early types of plastic decayed and changed. While doing so, they gave off a corrosive gas that very commonly, as is the case on this Hamilton, severely damages the hands and often the dial too. In the worst case, the corrosion will extend to internal parts inside the movement through the center of the dial.
It's temping to think that plastic crystals are always "cheap" replacements. But this is not necessarily so. Plastic crystals were considered a technological improvement over glass as they were said to be "unbreakable".
Some people prefer to leave these crystals on as original. This may be fine. Many believe that the degassing stopped long ago. On the other hand, some say that the old plastic crystals should always be replaced to avoid the risk of further damage. I don't know. This plastic crystal was replaced with glass.
Broken mainspring...
The train...
The Hamilton pallet fork and pallet bridge...
Hamilton hairspring stud clamps, which are pretty small, have two small screws, one for each side of the stud. It always takes a little holding of breath to get these placed with the balance bouncing around, but there are a few tricks that make it easier.
The crystals are not supposed to be this way, they were originally clear. Over decades these early types of plastic decayed and changed. While doing so, they gave off a corrosive gas that very commonly, as is the case on this Hamilton, severely damages the hands and often the dial too. In the worst case, the corrosion will extend to internal parts inside the movement through the center of the dial.
It's temping to think that plastic crystals are always "cheap" replacements. But this is not necessarily so. Plastic crystals were considered a technological improvement over glass as they were said to be "unbreakable".
Some people prefer to leave these crystals on as original. This may be fine. Many believe that the degassing stopped long ago. On the other hand, some say that the old plastic crystals should always be replaced to avoid the risk of further damage. I don't know. This plastic crystal was replaced with glass.
Broken mainspring...
The train...
The Hamilton pallet fork and pallet bridge...
Hamilton hairspring stud clamps, which are pretty small, have two small screws, one for each side of the stud. It always takes a little holding of breath to get these placed with the balance bouncing around, but there are a few tricks that make it easier.
New Arrival, Job Number 190189
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https://pluspora.com/tags/190189_et
Follow all the projects in detail here:
https://pluspora.com/tags/elgintime
And the album for this project is here:
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