Job Number 260024, The Geneva Stop Installed


Here's the Geneva Stop parts that install on the bottom of the barrel. The mechanism stops the spring just short of a full wind, and just short of being fully wound down so as to make the best use of the mid-section of the spring where the power is most consistent. 

As a practical matter this is really not something that would make a notable difference on a watch like this, especially today. Other factors will impact the rate over its runtime to a greater degree than the slight variations in the mainspring strength. 
As with everything in a watch, the key to installing the mechanism correctly is to understand how it works. The easiest way to do that is to carefully study it before it's disassembled.

For these, all of the leaves of the Geneva wheel are concave, except one. The cam can not pass the convex leaf. So with the mainspring at rest (unwound) the convex leaf goes just behind the cam that that the Geneva wheel will turn, as the watch winds, until the convex leaf comes around.

The install position also requires a small amount of tension on the spring to fit the cam. Thus fully run down, where the watch stops, is actually just short of the spring being fully relaxed.


Elgin serial number 6457374 is a grade 150, 18 size, 21 jewels, made about 1896.

Job Number 260024

Now here's something you don't see everyday... The barrel on this next watch has a fully intact Elgin Geneva Stop mechanism, with all the parts present. I've done hundreds of 18 size Elgins that had barrels with the cut-outs for these extra parts, but some or all of the parts missing. 

I suspect at some point Elgin stopped including this feature, even though they used barrels with the extra machining for awhile. But I also suspect in most cases watchmakers just didn't reinstall these parts when servicing the watch. Setting up the Geneva Stop correctly, so the watch winds to the desired point, is a little non-obvious. I'm sure many just didn't bother. Since it doesn't impact how the watch runs, not really anyway, their customer would never know the difference. 

Elgin serial number 6457374 is a grade 150, 18 size, 21 jewels, made about 1896.

Job Number 260022

I drilled out the hole where the pin was sheared off, in the plate edge at 11:00, and fabricated a new post, friction fit.


Minute hand replaced, it's ready for a few days of testing...

Elgin serial number 922148 is a grade 81, 18 size, 13 jewels, made about 1882, G.M. Wheeler model.

Job Number 260022

This took a lot of by-hand cleaning, but it turned out well. Nothing broken, everything works.

Getting it properly in case will take some work yet.

Elgin serial number 922148 is a grade 81, 18 size, 13 jewels, made about 1882, G.M. Wheeler model.

Job Number 260022 - Before


The head of the case screw is broken. It was a pain to get out due in part to what looks like a bunch of glue having been applied in this area. It's not clear why. The plate screw near by also has glue on it, and in its slot. 

Plenty of dirt and old grease here...
The location pin in the edge of the movement is broken off. These older 18 size movement have just one case screw and this brass pin that goes into a hole in the edge of the case. This pin will need to be drilled out and replaced.



Elgin serial number 922148 is a grade 81, 18 size, 13 jewels, made about 1882, G.M. Wheeler model.




Job Number 260020

I did some straightening of the hands. You have to be extremely careful doing that with this type. Old steel is very brittle.

New/old crystal added and it's ready for a few days of testing...

Elgin serial number 378425 is a grade 20, 18 size, 15 jewels, made about 1874, H.H. Taylor model.

Job Number 260020

Tangential lever escapement...
This is one of those older 18 size Elgins with a very clever, but ultimately problematic, lever setting mechanism. There is often not enough strength is the spring to hold the ring against the cannon pinion in both directions.

It can be tricky to get one of these to work. 

Notice that his grade has both stem and key winding.

Elgin serial number 378425 is a grade 20, 18 size, 15 jewels, made about 1874, H.H. Taylor model.

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