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Elgin Grade 391

The 391 is a nice watch. It comes in both a Father Time and a B. W. Raymond model.This one is the B. W. Raymond.

It is a 16 size movement, 21 jewels, with a motor barrel, fancy damaskeen, and other features.

This example was made about 1911.


This detail shows the lever for setting mode extended.
The case this watch is in is unusual.  This is the only time I have seen something like this.  The back is threaded as is common, but inside is an undecorated snap cover.  Unfortunately the inner cover has been very badly scratched.  It's odd because the rest is in quite good condition (be very careful with pocket watch cases, if you are unsure how one opens, get some assistance).




The motor barrel had a problem with this watch.  The side of the inner part is shown here broken out where the mainspring tabs should be secured.  This is unfixable (for me at least).  A replacement part took a few months to locate.


Here's some details of the balance - just a nice piece of of work, this watch.

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